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Thursday night dhikr 3/4/99, Mawlana Shaykh Hisham, Responding to Wahhabi attacks after State Department Open Forum -- Extremists in America.

Shaykh Hisham Kabbani: Nawaytul arba'in, nawaytul i`tikaf, nawaytul khalwa, nawaytul 'uzla, nawaytul siyama, nawaytul suluk, lil Lahi ta'ala al-Adhim fi hadhal masjid.

Everyone: Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu

Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu

 

(Mawlana Shaykh Hisham is speaking, and Abu Bakr Mojadidi is translating to Farsi for a representative from the Islamic government of Afghanistan who has come to this dhikr in support of Shaykh Hisham)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham:

We renew our shahada, audhu bil Lahi minash Shaytani rajim, Bismillahir Rahim Alhamdulillahir Rabbil 'Alamin, was Salat was Salam 'ala Ashrafil Mursalin, Sayyidina wa Nabiyyina Muhammad (s) wa Alihi wa Sahbihi ajma'in. I am very honored tonight to be among you, with our visitors and all of you, insha`Allah. May Allah make this a blessed meeting, a blessed meeting. And may Allah make this meeting, for whoever has sickness, make shifa` for him. Renewing the shahada, and Islam, and iman, is necessary in every association, every meeting, in every dhikr, whenever people come together, so they can witness each other's shahada. So that's why we make shahada at the beginning of every meeting.

Shahada is our identity. Without it our identity is missing. And no one in this whole world can take your Muslim identity away from you when you say shahada. When you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah," Allah is your Witness, not human beings. No one from human kind can say of you that you are a kafir when you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu (s)." Sayyidina Muhammad (s) said, "Man kaffara mu`minan fa kaffar," "Whoever makes a mu`min, a Muslim, kafir, he is going to be under that label." If everyone around the world boycotts you and slanders you and calls you a kaffir, and you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah," Allah puts them under the slander that they spoke. They make this kufr, not you, because Allah is witnessing on you that you are safe -- "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Rasulallah." (s)

Islam is Islam. Shari'ah is Shari'ah. No one can change Shari'ah. No one can change Islam. It's a heavenly message. No one can call himself a "reformer" of Islam. Islam cannot be reformed. Islam is perfect, from beginning to end. Sayyidina Ahmad Al Farooqi As-Sirhindi (q) was a renewer of Islam, he was called Mujaddid Alf Thani. He didn't reform Islam, because Islam is constant, but he corrected the beliefs of Muslims. He brought them to mainstream Islam. He didn't introduce any new belief or ideology to Islam.

We as Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a believe in the Consensus of Scholars (ijma al-'ulama) that true Islam is in the hands of the majority of Muslims, with the acceptance of the four schools of Islam. And the ulama always accepted taqlid, qiyas, and ijma'. We have to accept following the ulama (taqlid), we have to accept the consensus of the ulama (ijma') and we have to accept qiyas. These are principles of Islamic Shari'ah. Anyone who comes against Islam and Shari'ah as agreed on by the majority of the 'ulama and brings a new ideology, that ideology will be THROWN in his face. It is NOT accepted, and will NEVER be accepted.

Anyone today who rejects the four schools and says there are no madhahib in Islam, he is rejecting Islam as a whole, because ulama for 1400 years accepted the four schools of Islam, and they said the schools of Islam DO exist. Anyone who denies that has to correct himself because his ideology is not accepted. To all of the reformers who are calling themselves "reformers" and "modernists," modernizing Islam, THAT CANNOT BE DONE. ISLAM IS ISLAM, FOR 1400 YEARS. IT IS THE SAME. TODAY IT IS THE SAME. THERE IS NO CHANGE IN ISLAM. IF THEY CHANGE ISLAM, THEY are not correcting it. They have to change themselves.

Now we are seeing DOCTORS, PEDIATRICIANS, GYNECOLOGISTS, AND PRACTITIONERS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE BECOMING "REFORMERS" OF ISLAM! LET THEM REFORM THEIR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE, not Islam. It's not their business, it's not their field. Engineers -- electrical engineers, architectural engineers, all engineers, they go and reform their own computers and their own knowledge. They shouldn't touch Islam and say they are reforming Islam or modernizing Islam, as we are seeing in this country and other countries. ISLAM CAN'T BE CHANGED BY DOCTORS WHO ARE BUSY ALL DAY IN THEIR CLINICS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE BUSY IN THEIR MATERIALISTIC LIFE, AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM. They are going to speak about Islam and defend Islam? They are making it WORSE for Muslims in this country and in other countries. NOW YOU CAN GO FROM ONE MOSQUE TO A DIFFERENT MOSQUE, AND SEE ISLAM IS CHANGING TO FIT THE ENGINEER OR DOCTOR WHO IS RUNNING THAT MOSQUE. That is a big mistake that we are making. And that has to be corrected from the Muslim community itself.

They sit with non-Muslims and they say this is an interfaith dialog in America or in Europe. They sit with non-Muslims, people of other religions, saying they are making interfaith dialog, BUT THEY WON'T HEAR MUSLIMS! If they don't know history, let them go and read; Islam was spread through tasawwuf, through spirituality. There is no way to spread Islam without spirituality and tasawwuf. BECAUSE TASAWWUF IS LOVE, IS TOLERANCE, IS EXTENDING HANDS TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, TO YOUR PEOPLE, TO YOUR SOCIETY, TO OTHER PEOPLE, in order to make peace between everybody. TASAWWUF SPREAD ISLAM IN AMERICA, SPREAD ISLAM IN EUROPE, SPREAD ISLAM EVERYWHERE! EITHER NAQSHBANDIS OR QADIRIS OR CHISHTIS OR SHADHILIS OR BURHANIS OR QARIBIS, ALL KINDS OF TARIQATS, WERE THE SEEDS FOR ISLAM IN THE SUBCONTINENT, IN CENTRAL ASIA, IN THE FAR EAST, IN NORTH AFRICA, IN EUROPE, and in America nowadays.

I went to Chechnya two weeks ago as a guest of the President of Chechnya. And he brought all the mujahideen one night, and there was a little bit of a problem between the mujahideen, opposition movements and so on, and they asked my advice. And I gave advice, and Alhamdulillah at the end they were together, they came together. The Chechen mujahideen and the President are together as one hand. The mujahideen leaders were 27 people, and every one was responsible for a tribe. Each one had thousands of supporters. The President was saying in front of all of them that, do you know how many soldiers we had, with which we defeated Russia? The WHOLE army of Chechen mujahideen were not more than 4,000 in all of Chechnya. Only 837 mujahideen in Grozny, the capital. And the Russian army surrounding the capital, Grozny, WERE 120,000 SOLDIERS. 837 CHECHEN MUJAHIDEEN WERE ABLE TO DEFEAT 120,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS. 120,000.

(AUDIENCE: Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

And he asked if we knew how? ALLAH SAID IN HOLY QUR`AN THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALLAH (SWT), HOWEVER SMALL YOU ARE, YOU WILL WIN OVER THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, UNBELIEVERS.

THE PRESIDENT SAID, "DO YOU KNOW HOW WE WERE SO SUCCESSFUL, DEFEATING THIS RUSSIAN ARMY WITH ONLY A FEW SOLDIERS? ISLAM CAME TO US IN CHECHNYA AND DAGHESTAN AND RUSSIA AND TATARSTAN AND KAZAKHSTAN AND UZBEKISTAN, ALL THESE COUNTRIES, by Sufis. AND ISLAM WAS PRESERVED UNDER COMMUNISM FROM ONE GENERATION TO ANOTHER FOR SO MANY YEARS BY TASAWWUF. DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS PRESERVED? BY ZIKRULLAH AND SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S). WE ARE QADIRIS AND NAQSHBANDIS IN CHECHNYA. NAQSHBANDI (MOJADDIDI, SUHRAWARDI AND ALL THE BRANCHES). HE SAID BEFORE WE GO TO ANY WAR, BEFORE WE GO TO ANY JIHAD, WE SIT IN A CIRCLE, AND WE RECITE AL-BURDA, AND AL-MODARIYYA.

They recited Qasidatul Burda and al-Modariyya by Muhammad al-Bosairy. All of the Chechens recited together, as if in one voice, loud -- you can hear it as if it is one voice, and then they make salawat on Prophet (s), and then zikr, and then they go and fight, with the baraka of these salawat on Prophet (s) and this Zikrullah.

AND THE BURDA AND MODARIYYA ARE BEING ATTACKED NOWADAYS BY THE WAHHABI SECT -- THEY SAY THIS IS "KUFR" QASIDA AND "KUFR" SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S). AND SITTING IN A CIRCLE LIKE THAT AND MAKING ZIKRULLAH, IT HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM THE SALAFI/WAHHABI SECT, THEY ARE SAYING "KUFR" AND "SHIRK." HE SAID THIS IS HOW WE DEFEATED THE RUSSIANS, BY ZIKRULLAH AND BY SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S)! He said 837 mujahideen in Grozny were able to throw out in a short period of time 120,000 Russian soldiers.

Now that there is peace in Chechnya, THIS IDEOLOGY IS HITTING CHECHNYA. The Wahhabi and Salafi ideology are coming inside the country, giving money to people, giving them books, giving them $100 a month, and everyone is running to be Salafi or Wahhabi. He said he made an order that any Salafi or Wahhabi seen by the army will be immediately expelled and thrown out of Chechnya. That gives us a lesson, that if all the world, if all the world will come against you when you are on Haqq and they are on batil, Allah will put them down and put you up.

When they decided, the Quraysh, to kill Prophet (s), they didn't kill him, they didn't bring a bunch of killers to kill him. No. Because they wanted to distribute his blood over all the tribes so that no one could come for revenge. They brought one representative from every tribe, without using individuals' names. They came to attack the Prophet (s), but the Prophet (s) had already migrated and they found Sayyidina Ali (ra) sleeping in his bed.

And what about all of those who signed the false allegations of the CAIR, AMC, AMPCC, AMA, MPAC, ICNA, ISNA, and MSA statement against us? All of these organizations, they were afraid to sign the statement as individuals. They signed the names of their organizations in order to distribute the act upon all of them so that no one could come against any one of them.

We are and support Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, we believe in intercession, we believe in the Shafa' of Prophet (s), we believe in asking Allah through the sake of Prophet (s) and awliya. We believe in awliya, we believe in ziyara of the grave of Prophet (s), we believe in commemorating Prophet's (s) birthday. NO ONE CAN CHANGE OUR BELIEFS, AND WITH THESE BELIEFS WE ARE GOING TO SPREAD ISLAM IN THIS COUNTRY THROUGH TASAWWUF AND THROUGH SPIRITUALITY AND THROUGH ZIKR AND through love and tolerance.

They have to know that AWLIYA ARE EVERYWHERE. AWLIYA KNOW ABOUT THE FUTURE. AWLIYA KNOW THE PAST [THROUGH MUKASHIFAAT]

(AUDIENCE: NARAY TAKBIR! NARAY RISALA!)

The Wahhabis are IGNORANT; they cannot open their eyes because they are so involved in their materialistic lives that they cannot look at spirituality. You have a body and you have spiritual energy in your life. You are both spirit AND body. There cannot be body without spirit, it is impossible. They must be together. And I WILL GIVE THEM EVIDENCE, those who are watching or listening or reading. Here is the evidence:

When I was young I used to go to the biggest masjid in Beirut to pray 'asr behind my uncle, who was the Grand-Mufti, the General Secretary of the Ministry of Religious Affairs in Lebanon. The mosque had been a church until the Muslims came to Lebanon under Sayyidina Umar (ra) and made it a mosque. It's called al-Masjid al-Umary Kabir. After 'asr, I was sitting there between two of my brothers. An Afghani man, dressed in nice Sunnah clothes with a turban came, to us after we finished our prayer with salams. He tapped on my brother's shoulder and said, "You are Selim." Then he looked at my brother and said, "You are Walid." And then he said to me, "You are Hisham." We were surprised. How did he know? We had never seen him. We were very surprised.

(Abu Bakr Mojadidi is the descendant of Sayyidina Ahmad Al Farooqi As-Sirhindi (q) and Isma'il Mojadidi, who was the same Shaykh who came to Beirut for medical help. He does not know that this story is about his father)

My eldest brother looked at him and said, "Who are you?" He told us his name, and said his father had sent him to Beirut for hospitalization, for a cure for a sickness that he had. He said, "I told my father that I don't know anyone in Beirut. He said, you go to the big masjid, on such-and-such a day, after 'asr, you will see three people sitting together, that one is Selim, that one is Walid, that one is Hisham, you speak with them." We were even more surprised. We asked who his father was. He said, Shaykh ul-Mashayikh of Afghanistan, Shaykh Ibrahim. So we took that man to a hospital that my brother owned. We helped him, and then he went back to Afghanistan. And that was in the 60's.

30 years later I came to America, in 1990. In 1992 or 1993, I went to a masjid in Alameda, close to Oakland. And I met a shaykh there, a very nice shaykh, Shaykh Ahmed, who let me give the jum'a prayer. Afterwards, someone asked to speak to me. I was telling him the story -- it was Abu Bakr Mojadidi. He said, "I want to meet with you." He said, "I AM THE SON OF THAT SHAYKH." I said which shaykh? He said, "MY FATHER." I said "Shaykh Isma'il?" He said "Yes." That one who visited us in Beirut was named Isma'il al-Mojadidi, he was his father, and Allah made me meet with him after his father, Allah bless them wherever they are, after 35 years.

(Audience: Takbir! Allahu Akbar! Naray Risala! Ya Rasulallah (s))

(For a few minutes now, Abu Bakr Mojadidi is overcome with emotion, and cannot translate into Farsi)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Kaana Wali.[he was a saint].

For those who are denying wilaya, denying awliya, we say THEY ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE ON JUDGMENT DAY, THOSE WHO DENOUNCE AWLIYA, WHEN ALLAH SAYS, "Alaa inna Awliya Allahi la khawfun 'aleihim wa lahum yahzanun." They cannot say that there are no awliya. Awliya are the inheritors of prophets and "ulama wala satun awliya." Awliya are the inheritors of Prophet (s) when he said, the scholars of the ummah are the inheritors of the prophets. Not the doctors and the businessmen and engineers who are coming and saying "reformist, reformist, reformist." And more than this, "activist." That is rejected on them. They can help, yes no problem. They can help to build masajid.

But doctors and engineers cannot deduce principles and deduce Shari'ah and teach the fundamentals and principles of Islam. IT IS ONLY FOR ULAMA. AND ULAMA MEANS 'alimun 'amil, an 'alim who DOES what he knows. He acts upon it. He is a pious person, a sincere person, not an 'alim sitting only to get money. As we know, many people are getting money from certain sources for their positions, and then they are condemning all other Muslims.

MUSLIMS of today are being brainwashed by the ideology of the Wahhabis throughout the world. But Alhamdulillah, as much as they are trying to spread this ideology, THEY ARE NOT ABLE. THEY CANNOT SPREAD IT ALL OVER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF Muslims are rejecting it. Throughout the WHOLE WORLD, Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a are in the majority. More than 90% of the ulama are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and the Muslims adhere to these correct beliefs. But the ideology of the Wahhabis is being supported by literature, by the leadership of ALL ORGANIZATIONS, ALL MOSQUES, that's why we hear it a lot, but there is no effect. No one is accepting the Wahhabi ideology.

When we saw there was a danger to Muslims in America, who were being labelled as extremists, WE TRIED TO STAND UP AND SAY TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN AN OPEN FORUM, "NO THAT IS WRONG, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE PEACEFUL PEOPLE, LOVING PEOPLE, PEOPLE OF TOLERANCE, AND THOSE WHO ARE LEADERS OF ORGANIZATIONS, AND THOSE WHO CONTROL SOME MASAJID IN AMERICA ARE THOSE WHO ARE ACCEPTING THE WAHHABI IDEOLOGY. THEY are the ones saying that all Muslims are extremists. But the majority of Muslims are peaceful. AND WE HAVE SAVED THE MUSLIMS FROM DANGER BY SEPARATING THEM FROM ANY IDEOLOGY THAT MIGHT later be called extremist.

Immediately the organizations who are being led by this extremist ideology jumped in and boycotted us. Already they have no relationship with us. They have been boycotting us for nine years. This is not something new. They boycott us because we accept Sufi Orders, tariqats. They would never talk to us. They were ALWAYS pushing us into the corner. Now they are coming and condemning us because we have made a big difference in the American understanding of Islam by telling them that Muslims do NOT accept that ideology. Muslims are peaceful people. The extremists didn't like that. They are trying to bring the whole community in America to SIGN against us, but we are standing for Haqq, and we are not afraid!

(Audience: Naray Takbir! Allahu Akbar! Naray Risala! Ya Rasul Allah! (s))

We are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, we are Ahlut Tasawwuf, we are Ahlul Tariqa. We are not going to change. Inna mal a'malu bi niyyat. Prophet (s), "Every 'amal is according to the niyyat." Our deeds, our acts, were with good intention.

They twisted my words, they "cut and pasted" what I said. They took everything out of context and tried to twist everything to the Muslim community to show that the tasawwuf that we are living in America is bad and to show us in a bad situation.

May Allah (swt) bless all of us and bring unity to the Muslims. "Wa `atassimu bi hablillahi jami'an wa la tafarraqu." May Allah (swt) bring us back to the rope of Allah and not separate us. We are 57 different Muslim states. 57. And they say we are making disunity between Muslims, dividing the Muslim ummah. What? Dividing the Muslim ummah? THEY ARE 57 STATES. I CANNOT GO TO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY WITHOUT AN ENTRY VISA. HOW CAN THEY CALL THESE COUNTRIES MUSLIM? I SAY "LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH," THAT IS ENOUGH. "MUHAMMADUR RASULALLAH (S)," THEY MUST ALLOW ME TO ENTER INTO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY. They do not accept EACH OTHER. HOW are they going to make unity? And they are blaming me, in America, saying I am dividing the Muslims.

Go and see, they are already divided.

They fight with each other. They kill each other. And all of them they say "La ilaha illa Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah (s)." And they are killing each other. This is Islam? This is not Islam.

They left Islamic principles, and they are following either communist or socialist or ba'athist, or all kinds of ideologies that have NOTHING to do with Islam. So I am not the one dividing the Muslims. Tasawwuf and Sufi Orders are not the ones dividing the Muslims. The ones who are dividing the Muslim community are the extremist organizations in the United States who pretend to represent American Muslims, the ones who secretly conspire against those who are on Haqq.

Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu (s)

Naqshbandi dhikr...

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hottak, Minister of Culture for Afghani government representative: (through translator)

Bismillahir Rahman ir Rahim, Allahumma Salli 'ala Rasulina Karim, wa ma ba'd. Alhamdulillah. Abdur-Rahman (the Afghani government representative) wants to say that Alhamdulillah he is very happy and very honored to be in such a gathering, and happy that Allah has given him such an opportunity to be in such a gathering of zikr of Allah (swt).

Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan we whole-heartedly agree and have always agreed with everything Shaykh Hisham said about Islam and Shari'ah and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a. Always, from earlier times until today, we have accepted this in Afghanistan, and will always follow that way.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah after 20 years of war, 20 years of fighting, 20 years of jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians and against the communist regime in Afghanistan, today we see a government in Afghanistan that is a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, of Prophet Muhammad (s), and of the Naqshbandi-Mojadidi Sufi Tariqat.

(audience: Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah in every corner of the government, from the lowest to the highest level, we are following the ways of Islam and Shari'ah. This is why we have enemies from everywhere, because this is the path that we are following, this is the way of Allah (swt) that we are following in Afghanistan. We have enemies everywhere.

The Qur`an tells us how to govern a country. One of the aspects of life, one of the relations that you have with Allah (swt) is through Salat. And through Salat we communicate with Allah (swt), and if a person after finishing salat says, "I have communicated with Allah," Allah is his witness that he has spoken with Him. And a government is always based around salat to Allah (swt).

After Allah (swt) mentioned in Qur`an about executing a government through salat, He shows how to govern from the economic point of view. Also, e have to know to advise the people of what is right, and forbid them what is wrong. And we must tell them what the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s) has said, and what the madhhabs, the four madhhabs have said. We must show them that path, and it is an obligation on the government to lead its people this way. And after you tell people what is the right path, you have to forbid them what is wrong. And whatever it may be, from fornication to stealing or lying, this is a government's obligation, to show the people the correct path.

For many years the Christians, the Cross, has tried to separate Muslim countries, to divide them. And now we are 57 countries, not one ummah and one country. But Alhamdulillah, Afghanistan is having a different point of view, and is trying to follow the path that the Qur`an has provided for it, and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s).

The government of Afghanistan is declaring that no one by any means and in any way will try to bring and try to acknowledge unbelief in Afghanistan. Why did we make Islam open its eyes to Shari'ah? First, I've mentioned those verses of Qur`an. And secondly, history is evidence. We've seen other countries that have not followed an Islamic path, the Qur`an and the hadith and what the ulama of Islam have said, we see that they've not been able to fulfill their obligations to their countrymen and to the citizens of their countries. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, we saw democracy and imperialism, and sometimes communism, prevailing over Muslim countries. We can say that this way of democracy does not help countries solve their social, economic, or other problems.

Imperialism and democracy, why do they separate Church and State? They don't allow the state to fulfill their obligations to their religion and teach the people about their religion. And the shadow of this policy has come to our Muslim countries as well, relegating Islam to the masjids and the Islamic institutions, not permitting it in social and public areas. He said they have tried tirelessly and with very much effort to bring their ideologies and ways of life to Islamic countries. And Muslim countries were not prepared for this.

These ideologies came, separating Muslims from one another and Muslim countries from one another, making one country a socialist country, one country a communist country, one country taking only the bad qualities of democracy to make a totalitarian government. Today, we see Muslim countries as proof of this oppression, and examples of Western ideologies and methods. Every oppression and every tragedy that you see in a Muslim country is because of the governments that they have. It's because they have taken democracy and made it into a dictatorial totalitarian form of government with which they have oppressed people. Today we should become aware of countries like Turkey, Syria, Egypt, and what position the Muslim peoples are in because of their government.

Afghanistan's government, because of this bad tragedy that's happening in those countries, is as it is. We've turned our faces from socialism and democracy and other ways and ideologies in Afghanistan, and have taken upon ourselves the duty that comes from Shari'ah and the ways of Prophet Muhammad (s). This is the way that we are following, not democracy. Today Afghanistan is being led by Sufis from the madhhab of Abu Hanifa. And Naqshbandis are leading Afghanistan today through Shari'ah and the ways of Prophet Muhammad (s).

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Today we see that just because we're Muslim in a country following Shari'ah and Islamic codes, we've found many enemies throughout the world. Before the coming of this Taliban government in Afghanistan, Afghanistan was a destructive country and every corner of Afghanistan, every other city of Afghanistan, had its own government. It wasn't under one flag, one leadership. And people in each city, each village, were being oppressed and killed. Because of their different beliefs and different ways of following religion, they tried to make their followers do the same things that they did. And our movement, which is being led by Amir ul-Mu`mineen, Modara Muhammad Omar Mujahid, is a way that erases all the activities of those areas.

Before, homosexuals were allowed to go about their ways, and people who committed other crimes were not taken to justice. Today, Alhamdulillah, Afghanistan has become a very safe, peaceful country in most of its territory. Today what Islam the roles that Islam gives to a man and to a woman are kept safely in Afghanistan.

We don't have any negative opinions about technology or sciences. We're not against that. However we're against an ideology, a Western ideology, to come there and corrupt our people, we're against that.

I don't want to take up much of your time, which I already have. I just want to tell you that Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan, we are preserving the Shari'ah of Islam and we're preserving the ways of tasawwuf, especially the ways that have been taught to us by the awliya of the Naqshbandiyya and Mojadidiyya orders; and Alhamdulillah we hope you feel very hopeful and at peace that such a country can develop and be established, and such a government has been established in Afghanistan, and Alhamdulillah from top to bottom you find Naqshbandis, and Alhamdulillah, we hope that everybody's very happy with that, and that Allah give us the Tawfiq and allow us to give some kind of contribution to the ummah of Islam. It appears to me that there are many misconceptions about the Islamic government in Afghanistan. And there's a lot of propaganda in the Western media. If you have any questions relating to Afghanistan or the Taliban government, you can be free to ask.

Salaam aleikum.

(Audience: Aleikum salaam)

 

Mahboob Khan: In the press there's this conception that Afghani women are especially oppressed, to the extent that they are not allowed to work, or even teach school. Is it true that women don't work at all, and secondly is it a temporary situation or is it a permanent government policy?

Afghani Minister: During the fighting in Afghanistan during the time of ustadh Rabbani, the former President, who still is President over a corner of the country, there were a lot of laboratories, a lot of schools, a lot of institutions, that were destroyed in Afghanistan. And a lot of the problem is trying to rebuild the majority of these educational and academic institutions that were destroyed.

What the Qur`an has given as the rights of women, these are the rights that women are allowed. Men also have the rights given them in the Qur`an.

Before the Taliban government came to Afghanistan, women were being raped and oppressed, and women until today are missing in Afghanistan, women who disappeared before the time of Taliban. First of all, Alhamdulillah in the society and environment that exist now in Afghanistan nobody would have the courage to do that. Second of all, prior to the war, the educational institutions were not run through an Islamic perspective. For instance, co-ed education in Afghanistan, and girls and boys were coming to the same classes at the same times. These situations have given us also barriers that we have to overcome gradually, and with Allah's help. We'll also need a lot of effort, a lot of manpower to come and fix this economic situation.

Prior to this, under communism the women were not even veiled. Slowly... We're trying to re-establish their rights in a way that many women accept.

Prior to the Taliban government in Afghanistan, women had no rights. For instance, a woman had no right to choose her husband. Almost every marriage was arranged with women having no right and no say in their future. Second, women after they were widowed were not entitled to their husbands' inheritance. Also, her dowry was not given to her at the time of marriage. Moreover, if somebody had died, his wife had to marry in his family. They had no choice. But the present government has erased all of those unfortunate scenarios from Afghanistan.

Now women have the right to choose their own husbands, women have the right to their dowries, women have the right to the inheritance of their husbands, and there are projects in Afghanistan that are... Hundreds of women are working right now in medical facilities and they're working as doctors.. As far as government positions, we've seen that in the government before everything was co-ed, now we're trying to erase that, in order to separate the women from the men in their facilities -- women's and men's facilities. Slowly once we do that, government positions will open up for women, including official positions. There are also projects where women are working, and they're getting paid for what they're doing, and they're doing it all outside of the home.

Mahboob Khan: Alhamdulillah.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: What is the influence of the Wahhabis in Afghanistan?

Afghani Representative: As far as the Wahhabi and Salafi movement is concerned, as far as being weak, they are not weak, because there are none. You can't be strong or weak if you're nothing. And as I said before, we're following the Hanafi Madhhab and we're all following tasawwuf, and these forms of fiqh, as far as the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and these four madhhabs. But prior to this government, there was Wahhabi influence in Afghanistan, and there were leaders who were being aided strongly by Saudi Arabia, General Rahman (?) and his political party, however they have no following now.

The majority of them through faith were not Wahhabi, but economically they were Wahhabi.

(laughter from everybody.)

They were Wahhabi because of the money coming to them and stuff like that, but deep down inside, they still hadn't changed, except for their pocketbooks.

Afghanistan for a long time was following one form of fiqh, Alhamdulillah. On the Day of Judgment may Allah guide us to follow that same path or that same way, and insha`Allah we'll never change, or have any tolerance for any other madhhab to come to Afghanistan.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: They have rejected Imam Abu Hanifa in their books.

Afghani Minister: Alhamdulillah, we were aware of that, and may Allah give us strength.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: You must make a relationship with Chechnya.

Afghani Minister: We have ties, we have a relationship with Chechnya, with the mujahideen in Chechnya. Our mujahideen go to Chechnya. Many people can go to Chechnya, even officials of Afghanistan; some people go to Chechnya.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Our goal is to be servants of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama', and to be as dust under the feet of our Prophet (s).

Afghani Minister: First of all, I am very happy and thankful to have had the opportunity to sit in such a gathering as this, and may Allah give us the tawfiq to be in such gatherings, and Alhamdulillah, the knowledge that you have given us, insha`Allah I will use it as far as I can, and (unclear) and furthermore, we are inviting you to Afghanistan. Come to an Islamic country such as Afghanistan which is holding the rope of Shari'ah and the rope of Prophet's (s) Sunnah, and the true way of Islam. If you would like to go to the country of Afghanistan to see what's really happening.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Insha`Allah we take everyone with us. You don't need a visa?

(Everyone is laughing.)

Mahboob Khan: I need to say, that as a student of Islamic history, I have seen many regimes go too far. We see the example of Iran. Initially they said, "America is the enemy, the big satan." Now the President is trying to make an approach to the US. I would cooperate from the beginning, instead of going too far to the other side. My humble request as a student is that our Islamic governments in Pakistan and Afghanistan should not take an extreme position by any means. I think Afghanistan is really a very strong Islamic government, and ought to stay a very strong Islamic government, provided it keeps its identity. For example, India managed to maintain a balance, never going to the Eastern block and never going with America -- it maintained a balance. If you can make a balance in Afghanistan... I hope that Iran's (for example) excessive fervor against the West and against the United States will not be repeated in Afghanistan. That's my humble request.

Afghani Minister: We have a common past. That was a very good observation. We have never given the approach which Iran has taken against the US or against other Muslim countries. We for example have never called America the big satan or things like that. We haven't taken that approach and we never will. Through an Islamic perspective, we'll sit with them, we want to open a dialog with any country, any Western country, whether it be the United States or any European countries who are willing to sit with and cooperate with us and achieve goals with them. From an Islamic perspective, with Shari'ah and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (s) -- that's something that we want to preserve and stick with, and we don't want that to deteriorate. With that said, we are happy to make any approaches necessary to form some form of cooperation with these countries.

Doctor (from Afghanistan): I want to add something. The Western countries must accept us as we are. We are an Islamic land, and we want to be governed by Islamic law. And they must accept us as such a land. If they want to make us a Western land, or Westernized Islam we do not accept this. For this reason, they are saying "we are against the Western influence." We are NOT against the West. We want to defend our Islam and our religion, and to live as Muslims. If they are prepared to accept us as Muslims, we are ready to accept them also! We are accepting them, because they are Ahlul Kitab, and we are not against Ahlul Kitab. But we are against kufr. And we are against the enemies of Islam.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Their presence here means there is no contradiction with the government here because they are entering peacefully without a visa. Thank you very much, May Allah (swt) bless the rule, bless the government, bless all the Muslims, and support us, insha`Allah in our way, to represent Islam as the religion that Allah (swt) wanted as a perfect religion for everyone to embrace, and that's why we are seeing a lot of converts, especially in this masjid. A lot of converts, coming from everywhere, entering into Islam because of the spirit of Islam, their love for Sayyidina Muhammad (s), and their love for tariqat. May Allah bless all of you.